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Shame on IITS and AIIMS management & anti activists May 28, 2006

Posted by chella in AIIMS, IIT, Reservation.

Read the whole story till the end also read who is the author- Chella

Charles J. Ogletree Jr

 He is a professor at Harvard Law School and a member of the Stanford Board of Trustees.

My dreams became reality as a result of my Stanford education. My father, who grew up in Birmingham, Ala., and my mother, a native of Little Rock, Ark., never finished high school. They grew up in a segregated South that offered few opportunities and many obstacles for African Americans. I grew up in Merced, Calif., in an environment where many of my peers viewed merely staying alive and getting a job as a successful course in life. But, with a push from my parents, I was determined to be the first in my family to attend college. With help from high school counselors, I discovered Stanford. And thanks to an aggressive minority outreach program by the admissions office, I was given the opportunity of a first-rate education. Without affirmative action, I would never have applied to, and certainly would not have attended, Stanford.

We must keep affirmative action — and keep refining it. It is a small but significant way to compensate victims of slavery, Jim Crow laws, discrimination and immigration restrictions. It is also a means to assure that institutions such as Stanford will celebrate and foster that which they simply cannot avoid: diversity in a democratic society. Affirmative action admissions policies seek to realign the balance of power and opportunity by doing what is, at heart, quite simple: affirmatively including the formerly excluded.

There are critics of affirmative action who claim it is no longer needed, or unfairly discriminates "in reverse" or "stigmatizes" admitted minority students. I disagree.

Those who claim affirmative action is no longer needed believe that the field has been leveled. But they ignore alarming figures. Last year, only 1,455 African Americans received PhDs in the United States. During the same year, 24,608 whites were awarded PhDs. The truth is that while America has made progress on racial issues, these changes are recent, vulnerable to being reversed and in fact nowhere near completed.

Those who cry "reverse discrimination" base their views almost exclusively on a belief that minority test scores are too low. But they fail to acknowledge that test scores and subsequent performance in college have a correlation that is, to say the least, inexact. When we insist on test scores as an ultimate measure of merit, we exclude, once again, students who have not had access to good public education or to funds that pay for preparatory courses for those tests. We exclude those who, given the opportunity, will display their ability.

Finally, those who would eradicate affirmative action because it "stigmatizes" minorities have two flaws in their argument. Stigma is the product of racist attitudes that still persist today. As a result, killing affirmative action would do little, probably nothing, to ameliorate the stigmatization of minorities. Indeed, one wonders, even for the few whom affirmative action might arguably stigmatize: Would they feel better and achieve more being excluded from a good education entirely? That question ties into the second flaw in the "stigmatization" argument: Opponents rely on the exceptional case, not the rule. (Just as they tend to point to the minuscule number of failures rather than the many successes.) The majority of minorities strongly favor affirmative action because of the benefits and opportunities it affords.

I was attracted to Stanford precisely because of its affirmative action programs. Here was an institution that clearly recognized that some people enter life with different abilities and opportunities, and that standardized tests were not the only way to judge issues of character, creativity and intellectual promise. When I arrived on campus, I found there was no affirmative action in course selection or grading. I was expected to compete with my peers on an equal basis. I learned that success was not automatic. I got my bachelor's degree in three years and graduated with distinction. I spent my fourth year obtaining my master's degree, and giving serious thought to the next stages of life.

The experiences of many of my minority classmates is a ringing endorsement of affirmative action. Most came from families where the parents had not gone to college, and many were from single-parent households. Moreover, many went on to become successful doctors, lawyers and business leaders, and others are prominent school teachers, public servants and entrepreneurs.

It is my hope that one day we will no longer need affirmative action. As our society becomes more diverse, the need for specific programs aimed at targeted groups will obviously diminish. However, that time has not yet arrived. My two teenage children, who are both college bound, are far better qualified to navigate the educational waters than I was 25 years ago. Despite this laudable progress, they are still judged in everyday life, by race. They are constantly reminded by comments, innuendo and circumstances of their ethnicity precisely because we have not been able as a society to overcome the issues of race.

The affirmative action policies promoted by Stanford recognize that, for more than 300 years, African Americans were treated differently because of their race. The important efforts over the course of the past 30 years by government and private institutions have gone a considerable distance in facing up to this history. It will not take 300 years, or even 100 years, to address the sad legacy of our nation's past. We have made a lot of progress. This is no time to turn back.

Charles J. Ogletree Jr., '74, MA '75, is a professor at Harvard Law School and a member of the Stanford Board of Trustees.




1. Thamiz Selvan - May 29, 2006

excellent and timely publication chella. again it is proof that even in web we have stuffs and they(anti reservation mongers) have only cries. soon they will stop crying and will start weeping. thanks for the support.

2. ravi - May 29, 2006

There is no point in going gor reservation.. if you have the knowledge and talent, then try to get it or prove it through your studies, why you need to ‘beg’ or a reservation?? So you agree with the fact that you cannot study and goin for a competition with others, so you don’t have the brave… You can only do it by demanding reservation, then you accept that you have no talent or capacity.. If still you beg and get the reservation its simple ‘SHAME!!’

3. arnab - May 30, 2006

This comment is based on all your posts. It seems that you have little idea about the situation in India. You seem to think that all backward classes must also be economically weak as the situation is in your own country country. But this is not true in modern India and many people of so called backward classes are affluent people. It is these people who avail the benefits of reservation, not the really deprived ones. The incident you stated happened in your life where you were handpicked and given proper guidance to study at Harvard never really happens in India. And before you stated the fact, we never cared to find out what is the caste of our professors in IIT. And do u want to know whether would I go to a SC/ST/OBC doctor? My answer is that I would always look at the reputation of the doctor and never care to find out what his caste is.

4. chella_cheated - June 7, 2006

In US the oppressed class is less than 10% of the total population so obviously the wording of the constitution is suited to reflect that.

The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution mandates that no State deny any person the “equal protection of the laws.”
Courtesy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

It is unconstitutional in the US to have quotas(reserved numerical representation) in education/employment

According to this Supreme Court judgment, colleges could use race and ethnicity as a factor in admissions decisions but could not designate set numbers of spaces for members of specific ethnic and racial groups.

One more interseting info: President Bush recently announced his administration will argue before the U.S. Supreme Court that the University of Michigan’s admissions policies — which currently award students a significant number of extra points based solely on their race, and establishes numerical admission targets for incoming minority students — are unconstitutional.
Courtesy: http://usa.usembassy.de/classroom/affirmativeaction.htm

5. Muthu - June 10, 2006

Its amazing amount of research you have put into your articles.
I donot know who you are, but you have some sound arguments.
Even though I may differ on some opinions, I would like to point
out a significant thing: second generation reservations.

I graduated from a reputed college (govt) and I know my friends
from rural schools come to the college, do engineering, learn english
fetch jobs, and beat most other ‘bright’ kids with hard work.
I also know that most of them were first degree holders in their
generation (siblings too).

The fact is most SC/ST and other affirmative action programs are not
managed properly. I would like to see these scholarships/admissions awarded to people who’s families have never had a chance to go to
professional schools. What happens is (I know a friend again),
people whos moms and dads are professional lawyers, and professors, have it easy to get admissions. The rich and wealthy (politicians for example) change their caste and produce fraudulent certificates to claim the reservation.

I think you must keep fighting, till the system is corrected, and the people realize the problem at hand.

If your dad was a beneficiary of the leather-worker syndrome, and you inherit his wealth, then you deserve to answer those people
and their kids.

6. Forward Caste - June 15, 2006

Hey u loser
Now I know, why the backward classes were/are/will be backward. They r full of losers like you. U dont have the guts to fight for a PG med seat and u r entertaining dreams of becoming a surgeon. Even ur mom wont get herself operated by you. And moreover, even if you get 100% reservation, you cannot equal the forward caste people. Because they have it in their blood, you dont. Remember what your ancestors were doing for a living? Keep that in mind!

7. rajesh kannan - June 15, 2006

don’t try to enter in back way enterance.if u want u people to enter into iit then train them properly.all intelligents r welcomed by iits done beg and fool others .people like u.,the begger like u should leave from our country for its betterment.
which is real shame?
pl speak only about the diffrence in rich and poor ,don’t be a person of being begging in the name of caste.

i am not an enemy for backward .infact i am a backward man.i want equal and communism in all the way.

begger is term to the person begging reservation in the name of caste.and not to the back ward people infact their is no backward people in the world in they name of caste but only with money .try to irradicate difference between rich and poor. and never try to fool people in the name of caste
thank u

8. ravi - June 19, 2006

Well said rajesh
Its obvious that you must try.. learn.. work hard to get a seat.. not simply sit in the shelter of caste and beg for a seat.. ok.. can you people assure that you can learn good education and come as a class first student after u beg and get a seat… U CAN’T!! Atleast allow others who have good knowledge..to study and have better future.. don’t spoil their life..in the name of caste.. Live or let live..!

9. harri - June 22, 2006

Hello Mr. forward class.
I am also against the reservation based on caste.
But your language is uncivilized.
I think most of fc (brahmins) were prostitutes for the kings or mamas that is how even without hardwork you are rich. You will even give your mother for prostitution for your growth. so you have no right to speak like this.

10. வெறியன் - December 7, 2006

How can one convert from Forward Caste to Backward Caste. I have been condemned by God and unfortunately born Forward Caste Brahmin . Is it possible to convert to Backward Caste. I have heard forward caste non-Brahmins can purchase certificates. It will helpful these agencies are mentioned which convert me from Brahmin caste to Backward caste.

11. வெறியன் - December 7, 2006

இந்தி பேசும் ‘தமிழர்கள்’
Urdu Labbais including Rowthar and Marakayar Sourashtra
Urdu Sheik
Urdu Syed

தெலுங்கு பேசும் ‘தமிழர்கள்’
Reddy ( Ganjam)
Telugu Chetty
24-manai Chetty
Telugu Idaiyar
Kalavathila Boyas
Pedda Poyas
Telugupatty Chetty

கன்னடம் பேசும் ‘தமிழர்கள்’

தமிழ் பேசும் ‘அன்னியர்கள’ (FCs)
(ஏழை) Mudaliars (காசு கொடுத்து OBCஆக மாறலாம்)
(ஏழை) Naatukottai Chettiar (காசு கொடுத்து OBCஆக மாறலாம்)

12. வெறியன் - December 7, 2006


I wish to bring to your attention that many backward castes, most backward caste listed in Tamil Nadu’s reserved caste category speak language other than Tamil. The list is seen Tamil Nadu website http://www.tn.gov.in/bcmbcmw/bclist.htm

These includes countless communities where Telugu is spoken at home, also several Kannada speaking caste and Urdu Muslim communities who essentially speak Hindi.

The chairman of Tamil Nadu’s minority commision is Pyarelal Jain appointed by Karunanidhi, a Hindi-speaking Jain.

Tamil Brahmins despite being the “biggest scoundrels” according to Karunanidhi are still Tamils. How is that Karunanidhi is reaching out even to North Indians for votes by printing Hindi pamphlets in last election. Why is DMK hating Tamil Brahmins but at the sametime reaching out for North Indians residing in TN.

Many CBSE schools in Tamil Nadu continue to impose Hindi (as compulsory subject), while Tamil can be conveniently skipped. This is sharp contrast to Karnataka where all schools including CBSE school which dont teach Kannada as compulsory subject will be de-recognized. Karunanidhi has come to power the 4th time now. Still the Hindi impositition in CBSE flourishes.

Why are Tamil Nadu’s ports of entry i.e airports and ports staffed by people who speak Hindi and dont know Tamil?

Why has Karunidhi failed on his promise to have mandatory Tamil annoucements on all Tamil Nadu flights.

Recently there was court case against use of Tamil as official language in TN and also opposition. Many people who oppose this are also covered under Tamil Nadu reservation.

Why are evils such as 2-tumbler system and seperate well system so prevelent in Southern TN where there is virtually no ‘scoundrel’ Brahmins left. It seems that amoung BC caste there is lot of descrimination and Dalits are still suffering while the bloody TN govt, Karunidhi etc are wantonly ignoring and supporting this.

It all looks like that the reservation policy is the most convenient means by “Tamil” politicians to destroy Tamil, Tamil society for their personal gains.

Tamil patriots would have done something great if they had reservation for one Tamil caste in TN rather than commercial certificates which many non-Tamil speaker can purchase.

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